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hello to our viewers in the united states and around the world, i'm john vause. it's 11:00 p.m. in los angeles. we have breaking news on cnn. the united states has a new acting attorney general after a legal dispute over donald trump's controversial travel ban. u.s. attorney dana boente was sworn in late monday and ordered the justice department to follow mr. trump's executive order on immigration and refugees. mr. trump fired sally yates as acting attorney general after she said she wasn't sure the travel ban was lawyer and told justice department lawyers they should not affect it. the president says that the order was designed to protect the citizens of the united states. the order was approved by form and legality by the department
of justice office of legal counsel. ms. yates is an obama administration appointee weak on borders and very weak on illegal immigration. for more we're joined in los angeles by california talk radio host ethan berman, national committee man sean steel, and political analyst ron brownstein. ron, first up, that was a blistering statement put out by the white house. >> it is. look, it is not shocking that a president would dismiss an acting attorney general from the previous administration who refuses to support one of his initiatives in court. it is surprising to see the kind of language that was applied here. the word betrayal is an extraordinary word from the white house about a -- a public official in the government. and it is indicative of the way that the lines are deepening so quickly around this administration on the same day that the president can -- attacked john mccain and lindsey
graham and chuck schumer. we are seeing very sharp lines being drawn in every possible direction around this administration. only eight or nine days after the inauguration. >> reporter: >> okay, sean and ethan, our legal analyst mark geragos says the president was well within his rights to fire sally yates, acting attorney general, but added this -- >> well, yes. he's within his rights to fire her, but for all of those who keep calling her an obama holdover, remember, yes, she was appointed by obama, but show was the gentleman who is now the acting attorney general. they're both obama appointees. and she specifically was asked by the trump administration to act as the acting attorney general until such time as sessions either gets confirmed or not confirmed. the president's got the ability to fire an a.g. ironically it's taken donald trump only ten days to match what richard nixon took years to do which is fire an attorney general who wouldn't do what you
wanted him to do. now, you have to understand something -- the part of the press release that was put out today by the administration was that they had cleared this with the office of legal council at the department of justice. the problem with that is that the office of legal council only looks at whether or not the form, whether or not it's facially constitutional. she was looking beyond that. there's two prongs to this. is it constitution, number one, as a law, and number two, as it's applied. and it was her judgment as it's been two district court judges' judgment that it's not constitutional as applied. >> sean, obviously, the legal arguments can go round and round and round. you know, there are a lot of comparisons being drawn now between the trump administration and the nixon administration, especially when it comes to nixon directing the attorney general to investigate the prosecutor for watergate, and the attorney general resigning.
there are similarities. >> there certainly is a sense of betrayal here. trump goes out of his way to give this woman who is -- you know, a liberal who was appointed, brought in by obama, a chance to be an acting attorney general. as soon as she has a chance to try to attack and make him look bad and to misdirect the justices that are sworn to follow the president's lead, she does so. and of course she has to get fired. what we don't understand and the media is missing is that trump is not surprising anybody. he clearly said what he was going to do. he's setting an agendas. he's up front, transparent about it. the left is going crazy. they can't understand why they're losing their power and their way of life and the control that they've had. they don't understand the rest of america supports trump. he's a disrupter. he wasn't elected to be a nice man. he was elected to undo the damage obama did. >> ethan, even if he was elected on campaign promises, the campaign promises must be within the constitution.
>> absolutely. and that's what's interesting in this case. by firing the acting attorney general, he's already moved our attention away from the fact that the order itself is very likely unconstitutional under the 14th amendment, equal protection clause. people like green card holders, permanent citizens, are under attacking with this executive order. >> in march, 2015, the man who is tipped to be the next attorney general, jeff sessions, grilled the former acting attorney general, sally yates, during her confirmation hearing. listen to this -- >> well, you have to watch out because people will be asking you to do things you need to say no about. do you think the attorney general has a responsibility to say no to the president if he asks for something that's improper? a lot of people have defended the lynch nomination, for example, by saying, well, he appoints somebody who's going to execute his views. what's wrong with that? but if the views the president
wants to execute are unlawful, should the attorney general or the deputy attorney general say no? >> senator, i believe that the attorney general or the deputy attorney general has an obligation to follow the law and the constitution and to give their independent legal advice to the president. >> an incredible moment given what's happened over the last couple of hours. the takeaway is it's already to stand up to president obama but not to president trump? >> right. there's no irony in washington. it is -- where you stand depends on where you sit. referring is situational. that is an extraordinary moment especially because it's jeff sessions asking the questions. i think what's striking is that his nomination is hanging in the balance against the backdrop of this controversy. you have as many as a dozen republican senators who have raised objections of varying degrees to the executive order including several like john mccain and lindsey graham who
have, you know, rather unequivocally condemned it. they have a point of leverage. there are only 52 republicans in the senate. if there was a group of republican senators who said, look, we are not going to vote to confirm jeff sessions, which is more urgent than ever for the administration, until the administration considers some changes in this order, that would be their point of leverage. donald trump is a student of power. he knows that republican senators raise lots of objections about rex tillerson, his secretary of state, and vote for him. if they do it again on the executive word jeff sessions, it would not be surprising to conclude in one of his favorite phrases all talk, no action. >> and we have heard john mccain, lindsey graham, and others coming out, talking against the travel ban, the executive order. is there some concern that maybe jeff sessions, that the appointment, will be held up? >> it's a liberal's favorite dream. again the republicans are going to fracture. i was looking this up earlier. i heard the same thing. this is december of 2015. it was going to fracture the republican party.
every time a liberal pundit says this, every time they predict a terrible fall for trump, he tends to go up, and they tend to have egg on their face. all of the senators have committed to jeff sessions. he's going to be attorney general. get comfortable with that. there's two reasons the liberals don't get it. one is omar martine, the one from -- in orlando that killed 49 -- >> a citizen -- >> a u.s. citizen, came from an afghan family, was a devotee of isis -- >> wasn't on the travel ban. >> and secondly the one from the brothers -- >> the ones from russia. >> right. which also is not on the travel ban. >> let's make this clear -- we're taking worst countries right now according to obama that have the greatest degree of terrorism exporting terrorism to europe and other parts of the world. this is just a small step in the right direction. americans embrace that. but liberal pundits hate it. >> what sean is saying, there are polls out, not rasmussen because we don't use it.
but the quinnipiac poll, there was i think 48-42% support for this travel ban. >> yeah. exactly. and that's the problem. we are not a direct democracy. we are a representative republic. we're not supposed to be run by mob rule. and by the way, working classes have always resented immigrants in the united states of america. it's the beacon of liberty to the world that we accept people who aren't necessarily always the most desirable on the face. >> okay. we know the presidents in the past have used their executive wh order when it comes to this. george h.w. bush used it 12 times. george w. bush, six times. barack obama, 19 times. ron, to you, why is it so different now, why are there so many people protesting on the streets? why is this so sdmefrl. >> i think it's -- controversial? >> i think it's the sweeping magnitude and the sent to which both in his own -- the extent to come which both in his own words
and executive order, it implies a religious test. his interview with a christian broadcast network over the weekend talking about the -- the president talking about priority to christians from these countries, and look, it is important, what we are seeing on the streets is truly unprecedented. to have the first weekend of the presidency, essentially one in every 100 americans in the streets protesting. following that up a week later over a group that is not inhere inherently, as you noted in the polling, the most sympathetic possible target in american public opinion. a travel -- travelers or immigrants from middle east countries again the backdrop of concern about terror. to have this many people again, it is a reminder, i think, of how extraordinarily deep the lines are. i do believe that the dynamic for democrats in congress is being set in the streets. i think many of them ensession that they would deal with a trump presidency, a typical way, pick from menu a, menu b, when to work on some things, fight them on others. they are scrambling, i think, to
keep up with their base. now, demanding -- going to demand a higher level of confrontation and resistance than many might have expected from the outset. >> sean, want to ask you something from what vice president dick cheney said last month. the notion that somehow we can say no more muslims, ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in. i mean, religious freedom has been an important part of our history and where we came from. >> he said that also a year ago. by the way -- >> was he wrong? >> i don't disagree with that. listen, i don't think i heard him -- he couldn't have said this was a religious test. everybody else knows it's not. this is a test that simply says -- restricts people from certain countries that export terrorism. the -- >> doesn't mention the word religion or any religion at all. it does give exceptions in that executive order. one are persecuted religious minorities. shia muslims, yazidis, or christians featuring genocide.
people never wanted to it look at those facing historical genocide. trump brought it up and made it a priority. that's important. to anybody to suggest -- in light of the media 24 hours ago were saying that, it's not true. it's not a religious test -- >> the list of liberals would include lamar alexander and mitch mcconnell who have raised questions -- lamar alexander said, was uncomfortably crossed over into a religious test. it mitch mcconnell said they're going to have adjudicate it. we're going to see the court decides the answer to this question. it's not me or you who answers the question. it is going to be the court. i think it is indicative of how many republicans have raised questions about where this is going, where it positions the party and leaves the u.s. on the world stage. >> we're also hearing from former president barack obama, his office released a statement. the president fundamentally disagrees with the notion of discriminating against individuals because of their faith or religion.
they added, "the protests are exactly what we expect to see when american values are at stake." ethan, are we about to see barack obama go head to head with president donald trump? >> i don't know that he's going to go that far yet. i love the fact that he came out and supported first amendment rights to peacefully assemble and protest in this country. i 100% support the protests. i'm only disappointed i wasn't at l.a.x. on saturday -- >> i completely support your right to have the protests. i would have a lot more street action, more protests because the democrat party is going to continue to shrink as more and more americans get alien yatesed, especially -- alienated, especially if you stop my progress at the airport. if you do that, i don't care what your ideasology -- ideolo you're my enemy forever. >> this is an indication of what we'll expect from barack obama -- ten days since he left the oval office. obviously he's not going to go away. >> no. that is extraordinary for a former president to be criticizing his successor this fast. again, i think it is indicative of what's happening here. there are elements of the
country that are very excited and supportive of the things that donald trump is doing. he is also stirring an intense and really unprecedented backlash at the outset of his presidency. sean doesn't like the numbers, but gallup has polled in every new president since 1953. donald trump is at majority disapproval eight days into his presidency. typically it's taken presidents 500 days or more to reach that dubious milestone. yes, there is a coalition that is supportive of what he is doing, but he has stirred an intense backlash that really is requiring all institutions to kind of take a stand on which side of the line you want -- look at all of the tech companies that set out at the beginning of the administration to find a working relationship that are moving into more open opposition, including some that have gone into court to support the governor of washington who you interviewed in the last hour who was going in to court. are you seeing kind of a very quick and deep hardening of the lines between blue america and red america. i think that is the template we
are going to be living with for the next many months. >> and sean, quickli, it does seem as if the president's trying to change the conversation, moving up the announcement of his supreme court nominee tomorrow night. >> yes. i welcome obama, all the work that he's done creating the republican party which we're on our last vestiges eight years ago. we have 34 governorships, 48 lendi legislators, both houses of congress. the president has done so much for the republican party, i want him to be out leading in the street. more than that, i'm looking forwards to that this disruptive president is changing our society before our eyes. he's doing it not trying to make friends, not trying to be apologetic, and certainly not backing down. it's working. >> ethan, he's trying to change the conversation. >> i think the democrats should fight tooth and nail and resist the supreme court nominee as long as they can just like the republicans did, the democrats out to take that page from the republican playbook. clearly that worked for the republicans who won everything this cycle.
>> ron, last word, we're obviously setting up for a period of conflict, i guess, between the republicans and democrats because that is -- >> not only the republicans and democrats -- i agree with sean. donald trump is a president, and with the advice of steve bannon, i think it's the ideological godfather who is trying to change american society. and you are seeing the intensity of the reaction to that. in many ways, hillary clinton underperformed the level of resistance that there is to donald trump's vision of society because there were so many doubts about her. now donald trump is standing there on his own without hillary clinton next to her. it will be his job on his own to build an affirmative majority for his vision of america. that's the challenge he is setting up. we'll see if he can meet it in 2018 and 2020. >> okay on. that, i'll say thank you. okay. we'll take a break. much more on this tumultuous start to donald trump's second week as president. america's nup aew acting top co
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welcome back, everybody. 20 past 11:00 in los angeles. an update on our breaking news. a major shakeup at the u.s. justice department. president trump has fired acting attorney general sally yates. she told justice department lawyers on monday not to defend mr. trump's executive order on immigration and refugees. u.s. attorney dana boente was sworn in to replace yates. he's already rescinded yates' guidance. both were appointed by former president barack obama. fareed zakaria joins me from new york. what are the implications here ten days into the administration? the acting attorney general has been fired for defying the executive order on the travel ban. >> look, the whole thing seems extremely chaotic. whatever interpretation about that event and some of the others, when the orders are lawful, unlawful, wise, unwise,
it certainly feels incompetent. i think that is a serious problem for an administration that sold itself on its competence. donald trump's principal point about why he should be president is i'm a competent businessman, i'm a multibillion declare, i've run real businesses, i know how to do stuff. trust me, no one else in washington can run these complicated issues. i will make it work. part of making it work is understanding how to get things done, how to get it through legally and politically. if the whole thing feels sufficiently chaotic, unplanned, and amateur, i wonders when it is making some people recognize in my view that government is actually more complicated than business. >> one of the things about this administration, though, it does seem to thrive on chaos.
we are seeing a lot of chaos now. >> you know, it thrived on chaos during the campaign. it remains to be seen if it will thrive on chaos as the presidency. it is one thing to be a disruptive force, to be a disruptive force in a campaign where frankly people didn't like the candidates and liked the idea of shaking things up. when they see what that means when you're president -- people said don't take trump literally, take him seriously. when he's president you have to take him literally and seriously. when you say to the attorney you're fired, she's fired. when there's a ban on people coming in, they're banned. airports go into chaos. as the president, as the administration, as the government, people are going to want a degree more of stability, of competence and continuity.
look, let's be honest. we've all been surprised by donald trump. perhaps he'll surprise us again. so far indications are not that way. his approval ratings are the lowest of any president in 45 years coming into this first week. you know, perhaps things will turn. >> you know, earlier on monday the white house said that this travel ban had been a huge success. they said a few people had been inconvenienced at airports. that's a small price to pay for national security. they say everyone complaining is hyping it up. >> it's today describe it as a success because frankly, nothing has happened. a court stayed the implementation of it. how they can claim success for an order that has barely been implemented because the court stopped it, i don't know. i think that what we can say is that it has caused an enormous amount of chaos in the united states and, most importantly,
abroad. look at the nikk-- effect it's having around the world. in iraq, the iraqi parliament has had a fierce debate in which member after member has pointed out that the iraqi government and army have allied with the united states for a decade in fighting terrorists. the iraqi army is right now the principal fighting force fighting isis. the terrorist group that druona trump says he wants to eliminate. guess who's putting their lives on the line for that -- iraqi soldiers. those soldiers and their families and -- translators for the american advisers are told that they are -- they are hostile entities who will not be allowed to visit the united states. they will not be allowed to visit the country that they are risking their lives for. it strikes me as -- you know, just if you look at the international implications of it, the ban is having very serious negative effects. internally, it's causing a degree of chaos. within the government it's caused the attorney general to be fired.
so i don't know what yardstick you can use to describe it as having been successful. but you are right. that is what they claim. >> what do you think will be the long-term implications of this ban regardless of what happens in the courts, when it's upheld or when it's dismissed? what will be the implications for the united states and its image around the world? >> clearly negative. i think the most interesting thing is to note how people and countries have reacted around the world. recognizing that it's not just about seven countries. it's about the idea that the united states can use national origin effectively religion as a blanket condition. you know, it's not saying dangerous iraqis, it's saying all iraqis. it's not just saying we're going to scrutinize people more carefully, it's saying we will not allow anybody from syria to come in. i think that people recognize that it violates some sense of -- you know, of human rights, of
decency, of justice. you have the u.n. commissioner of -- high commissioner of human rights saying that this is -- there is essentially an immoral policy that violates universal codes of conduct and justice. when people are saying that about the united states, it's a sad day. those are the kind of things you hear people saying about authoritarian governments that have long histories of human rights abuse. to hear it said about the oldest constitutional democracy in the world, to hear it being said about a country that is rightly seen and has been seen for many, many decades as the leader of the free world is a very sad day. >> okay. thank you very much. appreciate you being with us. >> my pleasure. after the break, many iraqis lived their lives to help u.s. troops during the war in iraq. as you heard from fareed, many banned from coming to the states. we'll hear from one american who says that's just wrong.
welcome back. if you're just joining us, there is breaking news from washington. donald trump's new acting attorney general says he will uphold the president's executive order on immigrants and refugees. dana boente was sworn in late monday after a major shakeup over the controversial travel ban. we get details from justice correspondent evan perez. >> reporter: an extraordinary series of events has president trump fired sally yates, acting attorney general, because she had ordered the justice department not to defend the president's executive orderer immigration and refugees. the president's order rolled out chaotically over the weekend, banned travel to the united states to people from seven countries deemed to be security
risks. yates is an appointee of president obama and a nearly 30-year career lawyer in the justice department. monday she told justice department lawyers "that i am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution's solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what's right." she went on to say that she didn't think the executive order is lawful. a few hours later, the white house issued a statement attacking yates for being weak on illegal immigration. the statement said yates, "has betrayed the department of justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the united states." the new acting attorney general is dana boente, the top federal prosecutor in northern virginia. he will remain in office until the senate confirms senator jeff sessions, expected later this week. evan perez, cnn, washington. there's outrage also in washington over president
trump's decision to give his chief strategist a seat on his highest level national security team. many now wonder just how much power steve bannon has in the white house. jeff zeleny reports. >> reporter: steve bannon is the white house chief strategist. even that title may not do justice to his influence in the west wing. he's driving decisions on every piece of president trump's agenda, domestic and foreign, including the president's immigration order and travel ban that sparked a global backlash. >> no hate, no fear -- >> reporter: it's his elevation to a permanent spot on the national security council that is outraging many republicans, who question why he has a seat alongside the secretary of state and defense secretary in the inner sanctum of security. the president said in a weekend memo the chairman of the joint chiefs and director of intelligence will no longer have a standing seat on the
committee. robert yates, who has served eight presidents, said it was an unprecedented move. >> i think pushing them out of the national security council meetings except when their specific issues are at stake is a big mistake. i think that they both bring perspective and -- and judgment and experience to bear that every president, when they like it or not, finds useful. >> reporter: white house press secretary sean spicer brushed aside criticism as utter nonsense. >> this administration is trying to make sure that we don't hide things and wait for them after the fact. so it recognizes the role that he's going to play. steve's not going to be in every meeting. >> reporter: bannon is unphased by the controversy. in fact, a person close to him tells cnn he thrives on it. bannon sees his role as disrupting the establishment. republicans included, and putting his ideological imprint on trump's presidency. >> now i want to go to one of our breitbart -- >> reporter: he calls himself a nationalist who says trump could create a new populist movement.
>> this whole movement is really the top of the first inning. >> reporter: he joined trump's team last august, taking lead from the leading breitbart conservative website. at 62, he has one of the loudest voices in the white house, who is rarely seen or heard outside except now at the president's side. last week bannon told "the new york times," "the media here is the opposition party." one day later the president echoed the samentment to the christian broadcasting network -- the same sentiment to the christian broadcasting network. >> i think the media is the opposition party in many ways. >> reporter: cnn, washington. when we come back, iraqi interpreters work shoulder to shoulder with americans. now the country is included in president trump's travel ban. why an american veteran says they must be let in.
recapping our breaking news -- the united states has a new acting it attorney general after donald trump fire the previous one in a disputed over his travel ban. sally yates said on monday she wasn't sure if the executive order on immigration and refugees was legal. she told justice department lawyers not to defend it in court. now she's out. u.s. attorney dana boente takes over the department, and he's already overturned yates' guidance. dana boente will probably not have the job for long. the senate judiciary committee will vote on donald trump's nominee, jeff sessions, tuesday. officials at the pentagon are compiling a list of names of those who supported u.s. military operations in iraq. that is one of the seven countries included in trump's tra travel ban. the purpose of the list, to make it easier for them to get
waivewavers to get into the united states. our guests, a former green beret. chase, first, as a former marine infantry commander who's been trying to get an iraqi veteran into the united states, an iraqi veteran who saved your life -- >> right, yeah. >> when you heard about the travel ban, what was your reaction, and, you know, what has it been the last couple of dayss? >> my initial reaction was what is this ban, what does it mean, and how's it going to affect the captain. that was my reaction. just being able to talk to the captain and look at his case, this stops it and effectively puts it on hold. it brings up the question, those allies that have served directly beside this, saved american lives, what does that matter in this policy review. i think there are some clauses in there that allow for special cases. i think this really could be an opportunity to evaluate those who served directly alongside of us and hopefully get them -- either here in the united states or at least protected. >> so nelson, there is this list which the pentagon is putting
together of iraqi nationals who assisted u.s. forces in iraq over the last 15 years. but there doesn't seem to be clarity on when will make the list, how that decision will be made. what do we know about it? >> my hope is that they will coordinate among themselves, the department of homeland security, the department of state, the defense department, all of them got to work in sync as soon as possible to protect the friends of america and bring them in as quickly and use the clause that was mentioned earlier to allow them on a case-by-case basis to be vetted and to be brought into the united states. they have already done vetting, it's my understanding. and therefore, they should be expedited, be brought in to the united states. >> i mean, even the name of the executive order, protecting the nation from foreign terrorist entities in the united states. what message does that send to the captain and to other iraqis who served alongside the u.s. forces? >> it's simple, we don't trust
you. that's very, very difficult for me as a veteran, but also for those advisers on the ground overseas now. that's not the message that you want to put on the battlefield that we don't trust you. and that's going to be in a lot of ways, those that are devoid now are in damage control mode, trying to rebuild the relationship. back to the point of the list with nelson, we've got to remember here, too, on the secretary of defense, this is a former marine general. and like most marines, you don't go to your commander with just problems, right. you go with solutions. >> sure. >> so actually getting this list together and figuring out who the names will be on the list and what capacity they may be able to help with the national security strategy and also protect american lives abroad, is the right thing to do. it's going to get us in position to act. >> but nelson, if we go back to this list, does that now mean that for these iraqi nationals who serve the u.s. military, who have jumped through so many hoops, who have already been sort of in line waiting, trying to get the visa, are they back
to square one? have they got to go through the process all over again, waiting for some kind of approval from the pentagon? >> my hope is that they do not. they have done all these background checks, and it's a matter of identifying them. and i put -- and putting themselves into the category of the national interest to allow them to come in, it shouldn't take them a lot of the time that already they spent waiting, sometimes year, waiting to be classified as refugees. and to be brought into the united states. >> reporter: have you had a conversation with the captain about all of this? >> i have, absolutely. >> what did he say? >> at first he's frustrated, absolutely, and rightfully so. his case has been put on hold. he has to wonder what is his future for his kids. at the same time, i think gloss a glimmer of -- i think there's a glimmer of hope. the hope is that he saved american lives, he stood by us for almost a decade, and committed to our values. and not to mention he's an asset in the ongoing fight against isis and non-state actors. these are the people that have the cultural language and
experience on the ground that we need in this fight. >> he's been waiting two years, i think -- >> over two years, yeah. >> in turkey -- >> in turkey. >> the country doesn't speak the language. in a small apartment with no income? >> no. >> struggling? >> absolutely. >> now there's another hurdle. i mean, he must have heard this -- must havebelief at first. >> yeah -- have disbelief at first. >> yeah. but there's the connection that i have, that i built that relationship. he looks at me and says, chase, we stood together, we fought together. i told him, i'm not going to leave you behind. that's not who i am. and however the policy comes out and whatever -- we have to evaluate how we can work for his case. my hope is at that captain's case can be an example for what could be possible not only for our national security interests but being able to protect those here at home. we can do this. it's a matter of getting the information that we need, getting the policy professionals in the room. we're going to look at this. and rising above the fear that we have. we can do this. >> nelson, i mean, that's the goal, the hope. >> yeah. >> from a legal point of view,
you know how the system works, you know how the laws can often be interpreted. there was a situation at the airport, court orders that said the people at the airport must be allowed through customs, be allowed into the united states. and there were customs and border protection agents who did not follow that because they didn't get the right word from washington, there was confusion, whatever. you know that even when these rules are implemented, they don't -- nothing seems to go as planned. >> the laws are there. the implementation is crucial. what's important. the executive order is broad. it speaks in general terms. eft end of the day, they're -- at the end of the day, they're going to come back with specifics about how they'll go about implementing. i hope they take into consideration on this valid point and do not make it more difficult as the process already is for this individual who up to now have been exemplary coming in. there has not been any incidents to my understanding that
refugees have crossed into the united states from those countries. therefore especially people who have served or helped us in the battle against our enemies abroad, that we are there for them, coming in. >> there's a situation right now that there's a group of iraqi pilots currently training in arizona. as an indication of the confusion created by the executive order, no one knows what to do with them now. what -- how they deal with iraqis who are currently in the country with their visas? >> again if you're inside the country, i don't believe the executive order should apply to you except if you are in some way, shape, or form violating the terms of your visa. are you protected, you're in. the problem is coming in, you have already been admitted. are you in the united states. abide by the terms, complete your training, do everything by the book, and you should be fine. and already, there's been litigation put forth that people who want to be taken out, there have -- they're being prevented from doing it so because they're protected. it doesn't apply in my opinion
to the executive order. >> chase, this executive order, the administration stresses it's for a 90-day period, not permanent. it's temporary. does that make any difference? >> absolutely. time is critical especially in the captain's case. he's been waiting. there are also those iraqi sids here on their way to the united states that have been turned back. in some cases they have to go back into iraq. 120 days, 90 days underground in iraq makes a difference, especially when your life is on the line. time is of an essence. i hope that's part of the considerations when we're looking at the policies to say if we are going to make exceptions, we need to look, do it carefully, make sure they're being protected. but make a decision. people avenues lives are on the line. >> and when you're a refugee, 90 days is more than an inconvenience, right? >> of course depending where you are. you heard the description of what the captain said -- there are people who are more -- in worse conditions than him. everybody's got a unique story. most likely there are people like the captain that need to be
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eight minutes until midnight on the west coast. we are following breaking news. donald trump is responding forcefully to those who resist his executive order on immigration and refugees. yates told lawyers not to defend the travel ban in court. >> despite protests around the world there are still plenty of americans who favor the tighter restrictions. we spoke to some of those supporters in pennsylvania. >> we have to check out who is coming in. we have to know who's coming in. >> supporters of president
donald trump and his plan weren't hard to find at the beltway dine nr in pennsylvania. >> thank you. >> after all, tramp won this county with 58% of the vote, a major reversal from obama's tight victory here in 2012. do you think this will make america safer and prevebt terrorism? >> yes? >> why? >> there are so many of them here now it's hard to keep track of them. they just keep coming and coming and coming. >> reporter: this pennsylvania farmer a long-term registered democrat switched parties to support trump because he liked the refugee plan. >> how do you feel about it? >> it's not. she doing the right thing. those people have to be vetted. these people are coming off the street. >> reporter: the state department does vet them. they have even turned some away.
you're saying it's not enough? >> i don't think they get everybody. >> reporter: if they are coming in from syria many here told us don't even bother vetting, just keep them out for good. >> there are a lot of people we don't know their backgrounds. we don't know where they came from. we don't know fully what they are behind. >> you know you sound like donald trump when you say that? >> i kind of agree with him. >> reporter: not a single trump supporter here considers his executive order discriminatory. what do you say who call it illegal? >> you can't call it discrimination when we have so much violence. he is trying to keep us safe. >> reporter: will it make america safer? >> i don't know. i don't know. i'm hoping it will. >> reporter: in a diner jammed with trump devotees this woman
stuck out. she says president trump is bullying muslims. >> the ban is a disgrace. this country is made up of immigrants. he just wants to sign executive orders to show she doing something. he has know idea what it's all about. >> reporter: is this discrimination in. >> it is discrimination, illegal and a disgrace to our country. >> reporter: this woman couldn't disagree more. she says it's the only way to stop terrorism. what about the terrorism? what scares you about that? >> you never know what it is going to be. you could be shopping or you can go to church. they might want to blow up your church. >>. >> reporter: cnn, pennsylvania. please stay with us for more news from around the world right
hello. u.s. president donald trump has fired the acting u.s. attorney general for refusing to enforce his executive order on immigration and refugees. he sent sally yates relieving her of her responsibilities. >> she said she didn't think the president's travel ban was legal and told them not to defend it. the new acting attorney general has already reversed her guidan guidance. he ordered them to defend the lawful orders of our president. >> it has sparked days of protests around the world and in airports across the u.s. justice core respondent